Gurbani says do not call Vedas false

Baabaa Kabeer says Hindus call “Kateb” (Quraan, etc.) to be “Jhoothae-ਝੂਠੇ” (i.e., false, fictitious, untrue…).

On the other hand, Muslims say the Hindu “Bed-ਬੇਦ”  (Vedas) are “Jhoothae” (i.e., false, fictitious, untrue…).

Baabaa Kabeer tells both to cut it off and not call each other’s religious texts false (“Jhoothae”).

In the same breath, Baabaa Kabeer tells them that dishonest or false (“Jhoothae”) are those who don’t Reflect on the Truth (i.e., Vichaar, contemplate, Understand…).

  • ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹੁ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥: Do not tell Vedas and the Kateb (Quraan, etc.) to be false. False is he who does not Reflect on (Truth). (sggs 1350).
  • ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਰਹਿ ਕਹ ਬਪੁਰੇ ਨਹ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਇਕ ਏਕਾ ॥: Vedas and Kateb (Quraan, etc.) are helpless, (because) people do not understand the One (Truth). (sggs 1153).

“ਬਿਚਾਰੈ” (Bichaarai) is a very significant word in the above verse.

What is Vichaar?

Vichaar (or Bichaar, reelection, contemplation…) enables one to experience and realize the Truth within (Sach-ਸਚ).

Therefore, the practice of Vichaar, quest of the Truth (Self-inquiry, ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਪੜਤਾਲ…) is the introspective contemplation that yields Knowledge (Aatam Giaan, Wisdom, ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਸੂਝ…).

Thus, in nutshell, false are those who keep reading or reciting Vedas or Kateb mechanically (in doubt, love of Maya…), without Reflecting on the Truth (Sach-ਸਚ).

  • ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਸਤ ਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਪੜਿਆ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥: The Vedas, (Kateb (Quran, etc.), the Simirtis and Shastras, by (merely) reading all, liberation  (from Bikaar, doubt…) is not obtained: (sggs 747).
  • ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮੈਲੁ ਨ ਚੁਕਈ ਜੇ ਵੇਦ ਪੜੈ ਜੁਗ ਚਾਰਿ ॥: O Pandit! Even your filth (Bikaar, doubt…) does not get erased (even if you) read the Vedas for four ages. (sggs 647).
  •   ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਇਫਤਰਾ ਭਾਈ ਦਿਲ ਕਾ ਫਿਕਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥: O brother! (Mere reading of) the Vedas and Kateb (Quran, etc.) is a false show (make-believe, ਦਿਖਲਾਵਾ…) if the mind’s anxiety is not removed. (sggs 727).
  • ਵੇਦਾ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਤਮੁ ਸੋ ਸੁਣਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਜਿਉ ਬੇਤਾਲਿਆ ॥: (If you believe) Naam (Wisdom, Virtues, Truth…) is the Supreme in Vedas; (but, those who pretend to look pure outside but are filthy or full of Bikaar – lust, anger, greed, etc.) inside then why don’t you listen or pay attention (to Naam), and why you wander around like demons. (sggs 919).

There are three kinds of people who control, run or are in charge of the organized or institutionalized religions and the religious places in this world: (1) those who want to be worshiped by others (ਅਪਣੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਾਉਣੀ), (2) those who are greedy (Mayadhaaree-ਮਾਇਆਧਾਰੀ, ਠੱਗ…), (3) and those who desire name and fame (ਪਰਤਿਛਟਾ: honor…).

The purveyors of Hinduism with these demoniac inclinations (Pujaare group, crafty priests, Brahmins, Pandits, scholars, etc.) totally diluted or corrupted the Truth in the Vedas.

As a result, they misled people (ਗੁਮਰਾਹ, ਪੁੱਠੇ ਰਾਹ…) – they ill directed people away from the Path of the Truth and put them on the path of Maya or falsehood (“ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪਾੜੀ ਬਾਟ”), or they led people treading on an evil path Karamkaand (empty rituals) myths (ਮੰਨ ਘੜੰਤ ਸਾਖੀਆ, weird stories…), etc. The Gurbani confirms this in the following verse:

  • ਪਾਹਨ ਬੋਰੀ ਪਿਰਥਮੀ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪਾੜੀ ਬਾਟ ॥੧੩੭॥: The stone (idols) have drowned the world; Pandits split (or misled the world) from the Way (of Bhagti, and led the world on the path of Maya, Karamkaand, etc). ||137|| (sggs 1371).

To mend or correct this corruption, ill directions, or errors of the Pujaaree system, the Gur-Sahibaan and the Bhagats searched and studied all the Saastr and Simriti. Their Bani contains all the corrections.

By the way, literally, the word “Veda” means Knowledge or Giaan.

  • ਸਭਿ ਨਾਦ ਬੇਦ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ॥: “Naad” and the Vedas are all in the Gurbani. (sggs 879).
  • ਨਾਨਕ ਸੋਧੇ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੇਦ ॥: O Nanak! (I) have scrutinized Simritees and Vedas. (sggs 1142).
  • ਸਾਸਤ ਬੇਦ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਭਿ ਸੋਧੇ ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਬਾਤ ਪੁਕਾਰੀ ॥: Saasat bed simriti sabhi sodhe sabh ekaa baat pukaaree. (sggs 495).
  • ਸੋਧੇ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਗਲ ॥: Sodhe saastr simriti sagal (sggs 890).

Thus, the Wisdom of the Gurbani or Gurmat (Wisdom, Giaan, Upadesh or Way of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, SGGS) is not only for the Sikhs but also for the Hindu brethren as well. Because, it contains all the corrections.

In fact, the Instructions (ਉਪਦੇਸ…) and the Divine Knowledge (Aatam Giaan) of the Gurbani are for everybody in this world to take (“ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਇਸੁ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ”: Gurbani isu jag mahi chaananu).

  • ਖਤ੍ਰੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਸੂਦ ਵੈਸ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਚਹੁ ਵਰਨਾ ਕਉ ਸਾਝਾ ॥: The four Varna – the Kshatriya, Brahmins, Soodras and Vaishyas – are equal in respect to the Teaching (of the Gurbani…). (sggs 747).

Thus, according to the Gurbani, anybody and everybody can read the Gurbani and benefit from it (ਲਾਹਾ…). No particular person or a group owns it. Those who claim in the Gurdwaras that only a particular person or a particular group can read the Gurbani are utterly ignorant of the Gurbani’s Wisdom!

Now, the question is: “Is the current purveyors of the Sikhi (crafty priests, leaders/politician, people running the Gurdwaras, scholars…) doing the same with the Divine Knowledge of the Gurbani what the purveyors of Hinduism did with the Vedas? This author happens to think yes.

6 replies on “Gurbani says do not call Vedas false”

Thank you for bringing up this issue and illustrated it so well. Guru Sahib often used the term ved as a generic term for religious scriptures; they are many. We are going away from Vichaar tradition and replacing it with mere rituals. That will bring darkness extinguishing the light of wisdom obtained only by Gur SABD vichaar.

Dear T Singh Ji
Thanks for Sharing this elaborate research on Veds as per Gurbani.

Lots of the Sikh masses hate the word Ved without going into any details about it as per Gurmat.

I think that Hindu is not a Faith like Turk. They are the sects born out of Sanatan and Islam Faiths.

There are indications in Gurbani.
Kabir Ji says
Hindu Turak Kahan Tay Aayeh
Kinh Eh Raah Chalayeh.

Kabir Ji also accepts that Sanatan Faith is not worthwhile and says that Vedic thought process is Supreme and opposite to it.

Ab Manh Ulat Sanatan Huha.

My mind has Discarded the Sanatan Faith.

Also Gur Nanak Ji Says
Musalmaan Kahavan Mushkil.

But don’t say Hindu Kahawan Mushkil.

Hence Veds are against the Idol Worshipping.

Thank you Bhai Sahib Gurjeet Singh Ji for sharing the Shabad-Vichaar. I value your Shabad-Vichaar (understanding Gurbani through the Gurbani). So, thank you for improving this post Ji.

Gurbani is like the vast sea of nectar for life and soul…and life complete and fulfilled if one is able to attain one single drop of this ….Hey waheguru,….Kindly enlighten us lesser mortals….Satnam waheguru….satnam waheguru. satnam waheguru, satnam waheguru satnam waheguru satnam waheguru !!!!!

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