Deraavaad Sant

First off, the SGGS does NOT create SANTDOM or DERAAVAAD!

Instead, the SGGS creates GURMUKHS – Bhagat, Daas, or Jan!

When people – specially of Indian origin – see somebody claiming to be a holy man, they fall on his feet. He may be a first-class thief under his outer covering, but nonetheless he is revered!

Because, in ignorance or greed, we readily accept anyone who says “I am God”, “I have seen God”, “I will show you God”, “I can give you son – ਦੁਧ ਪੁਤ”, “I can improve your business”, “I can fulfill all your desires”, “I can win your lawsuit”, and so on.

Nowadays, for various reasons, if someone just wants to live as a “freeloader” in the society, he becomes a Sant (Saint)! A well paying business indeed, wherein there need not be any investment and therefore, it is a safe activity of “all gains and no loss”! Also, there is no need to toil! In fact, many disguised in the dress of Sant (ਭੇਖ, ਬਾਣਾ) are hardcore criminals running from the law!

These fake Deraavaad Sant / Baabaa (ਝੂਠੇ ਡੇਰਿਆਂ ਵਾਲੇ ਸੰਤ/ਬਾਬਾ) are nothing new!

Consider the following verses in which Bhatt Bhikhaa Ji (whose Bani is included in the SGGS) mentions of spending one year (“ਬਰਸੁ ਏਕੁ ਹਉ ਫਿਰਿਓ”) searching for a true Sant, but could not find one. He found all them to be sweet talkers on the outside, but full of Maya’s poison or corruption on the inside (i.e., fraud…). Finally, he gave up his search and came to the Guroo Sahib.

  • ਰਹਿਓ ਸੰਤ ਹਉ ਟੋਲਿ ਸਾਧ ਬਹੁਤੇਰੇ ਡਿਠੇ ॥ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਤਪਸੀਅਹ ਮੁਖਹੁ ਏ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਮਿਠੇ ॥ ਬਰਸੁ ਏਕੁ ਹਉ ਫਿਰਿਓ ਕਿਨੈ ਨਹੁ ਪਰਚਉ ਲਾਯਉ ॥ ਕਹਤਿਅਹ ਕਹਤੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਰਹਤ ਕੋ ਖੁਸੀ ਨ ਆਯਉ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਲਗੇ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਹਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹਉ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਦਯਿ ਮਿਲਾਯਉ ਭਿਖਿਆ ਜਿਵ ਤੂ ਰਖਹਿ ਤਿਵ ਰਹਉ ॥੨॥੨੦॥: (sggs 1395).

The present day Sant and their Deraas are probably the descendent (ਔਲਾਦ) of the same fraud referred to by Bhatt Bhikhaa Ji in the Gurbani above. Undoubtedly some may be new ones as well! Nonetheless, they are religious con men, who have reduced the Gurbani, Sikhi, or Dharma to a mere mundane business (“ਰੋਟੀਆ ਕਾਰਣਿ” ਧੰਧਾ; “ਬਾਨਾਰਸਿ ਕੇ ਠਗ” )!).

The Gurbani repudiates their conduct or life-style (ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਰਤੂਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਖਿਲਾਫ ਬੋਲਦੀ ਹੈ)! Deraavaad is neither supported nor encouraged in the Gurbani:

  • ਡਡਾ ਡੇਰਾ ਇਹੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਹ ਡੇਰਾ ਤਹ ਜਾਨੁ ॥: Daddaa (a letter of the Gurmukhi alphabet): This worldly Deraa is not (the True Deraa-ਇਹ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਡੇਰਾ ਸਚਾ ਡੇਰਾ ਨਹੀ); (therefore) know that Deraa which is (True-ਸਚਾ ਡੇਰਾ). (sggs 256).

According to the Gurbani, the Real Deraa is the Eternal One (True, Sachaa, ਸਚਾ, ਅਸਲ, ਪੱਕਾ, ਸਦੀਵੀ ਟਿਕਾਣਾ…), and the value of that Deraa beyond is known only to those, who, through the Gur-Shabad, brcomes fit for Grace of the Perfect Lord:

  • ਉਆ ਡੇਰਾ ਕਾ ਸੰਜਮੋ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਪਛਾਨੁ ॥: Through the Gur-Shabad, recognize (distinguish, understand…) that Deraa (which is Eternal, ਸਦੀਵੀ ਟਿਕਾਣਾ…). (sggs 256).
  • ਉਆ ਡੇਰਾ ਕੀ ਸੋ ਮਿਤਿ ਜਾਨੈ ॥ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨੈ ॥ ਡੇਰਾ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਜਨ ਨਹ ਡੋਲਾਇਆ ॥੨੯॥: Only he knows the worth of that Deraa beyond (i.e., the Eternal Deraa, ਸਦੀਵੀ ਟਿਕਾਣਾ…), whom the Perfect Prabhoo casts His gracious glance. (That) Permanent Deraa is obtained through Saadhsang. O Nanak! Those Jan (Daas, Bhagat, Gurmukh,etc., who obtain that Eternal Deraa, their mind does not) not wander (afterthese perishable worldly Deraa). ||29|| (sggs 256).

Why, per the Gurbani, a worldly Deraa (ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਡੇਰਾ) is not the true (Sachaa-ਸਚਾ) Deraa? Because, as the Gurbani says, it is perishable (temporary, fleeting, not lasting, Maya, etc.)- nothing in this Mayaic world is permanent:

  • ਇਆ ਡੇਰਾ ਕਉ ਸ੍ਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਘਾਲੈ ॥ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਤਸੂ ਨਹੀ ਸੰਗਿ ਚਾਲੈ ॥: Iaa deraa kaou sram kari ghaalai… (sggs 256).(sggs 1381).

Then why these so called Sant are so attached to the worldly Deraas furnished with expensive cars, luxurious lifestyle, etc.? Some are even contemplating having their private jets and landing strips in their Deraas (probably some already have them!)! Clearly, to support their Mayaic lifestyle of “freeloaders” in the society, they don’t care what the Gurbani (Gurmat) says, for they don’t believe it anyhow. If they did, then they would be living according to the Giaan (Wisdom, Oupadesh…) of the Gur-Shabad.

These “freeloaders” live a life of “Dhroh” (“ਧ੍ਰੋਹ”=> to live freely off others and, in return, mislead them…). The Gurbani indicates those engaged in vulturous “Dhroh” (“ਧ੍ਰੋਹ”) are full of Bikaar (lust, anger, greed, attachment, pride….).

  • ਝੂਠ ਬਿਕਾਰ ਮਹਾ ਲੋਭ ਧ੍ਰੋਹ ॥ ਇਆਹੂ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਬਿਹਾਨੇ ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ॥: (Thee fool lives a life of) falsehood, corruption, immense greed and Dhroh. (His) So many lifetimes are wasted in these ways. (sggs 267-268).

Instead of searching the Truth ourselves, we accept “Thugs” who come along claiming to be Holy, etc. Such “Thugs” and swindlers are pullulating nowadays every where in the world. If one is not alert, he can be easily distracted, cheated, trapped and snared into their net of Bharam-Jaal or Maya-Jaal (traps of illusion, delusion…). Baabaa Nanak is asking global-mankind to be on the alert — this is what he indicates when he says, “ਤਾ ਕੈ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਲਗੀਐ ਪਾਇ ॥ – don’t ever touch their feet”.

  • ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ ਗਿਆਨ ਵਿਹੂਣਾ ਗਾਵੈ ਗੀਤ ॥ ਭੁਖੇ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਘਰੇ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥ ਮਖਟੂ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਕੰਨ ਪੜਾਏ ॥ ਫਕਰੁ ਕਰੇ ਹੋਰੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਵਾਏ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਸਦਾਏ ਮੰਗਣ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਤਾ ਕੈ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਲਗੀਐ ਪਾਇ ॥ ਘਾਲਿ ਖਾਇ ਕਿਛੁ ਹਥਹੁ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਹੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਸੇਇ ॥੧॥: Slok Ma: 1 || Giaan vihoonaa gaavai geet… (sggs 1245).

Note the last two verses in the foregoing Slok: ਘਾਲਿ ਖਾਇ ਕਿਛੁ ਹਥਹੁ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਹੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਸੇਇ ॥੧॥: One who works for what he eats, and gives some of what he has – O Nanak! He knows the Path ||1||.

The Gurbani’s Teachig is that one should work with his hands (Kirat Kamaaee – ਕਿਰਤ ਕਮਾਈ) while keeping the consciousness united with the Niranjan within, which, again, these fraud Sant do not follow – they don’t work for what they eat. Clearly, they don’t care what Baabaa Nanak tells them in the Gurbani.

Simply put: If a so called Sant does not righteously work with his hands to earn his living, then he is not even a Sikh (student/learner of the Gurbani-ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਲੈਣ ਵਾਲਾ) let alone, a Sant!!!!!

  • ਹਾਥ ਪਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਚੀਤੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੧੩॥: With your hands and feet, do all your work, (but) let your consciousness remain with the Niranjan (ਮਾਇਆ-ਰਹਿਤ ਪਰਮਾਤਮ, the Lord who is beyond Maya’s stains). ||213|| (sggs 1376).

The following verses of the Gurbani perfectly fit these fraud, Deraavaad Sant:

  • ਓਇ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਤ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਹਿ ਬਾਨਾਰਸਿ ਕੇ ਠਗ ॥੧॥: They are not called God’s Saints — they are thugs of Benares (sggs 476).
  • ਕਬੀਰ ਸਿਖ ਸਾਖਾ ਬਹੁਤੇ ਕੀਏ ਕੇਸੋ ਕੀਓ ਨ ਮੀਤੁ ॥ ਚਾਲੇ ਥੇ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਲਨ ਕਉ ਬੀਚੈ ਅਟਕਿਓ ਚੀਤੁ ॥੯੬॥: O Kabeer! (Those who) have made many students and disciples (ਚੇਲੇ-ਚਾਟੜੇ), but have not made the Mool (their) Friend; (although) they set out to meet Hari (Mool, within), but (their) consciousness failed (them) half-way. ||96|| (sggs 1369).
  • ਕਬੀਰ ਕੰਚਨ ਕੇ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਬਨੇ ਊਪਰਿ ਲਾਲ ਜੜਾਉ ॥ ਦੀਸਹਿ ਦਾਧੇ ਕਾਨ ਜਿਉ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਨਾਉ ॥੪॥: Kabeer kanchan ke… (sggs 1363).
  • ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਨਿਤ ਪਰ ਦਰਬੁ ਹਿਰਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਚੁਰਾਇਆ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਤ ਕਰਹੁ ਰਖਿ ਲੇਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ॥: Bhalake uthi nit par darabu hirahi Hari Naamu churaaiaa. Hari jiou tin kee sangati mat karahu rakhi lehu Hari raaiaa (sggs 1244).
  • ਤਨਿ ਚੰਦਨੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਪਾਤੀ ॥ ਰਿਦ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਕਰ ਤਲ ਕਾਤੀ ॥: Tani chanadanu masataki paatee. Rid antari kar tal kaatee (sggs 1351).

From such clear defiance of the Teaching of the SGGS by these Deraavaad Sants, it becomes very clear:

  • These so called Sants are fallen into traps of Gurudom, Santdom, pupil making (ਚੇਲੇ-ਚਾਟੜੇ), etc. – Maya.
  • They are mammon worshipers – the “guardian” (“ਰਖਵਾਰੇ”) of Maya: [ਰਖਵਾਰੇ ਕਾ ਹੋਇ ਬਿਨਾਸ ॥ ਆਗੈ ਨਰਕੁ ਈਹਾ ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ ॥੧॥ (sggs 871)].
  • Because they themselves cannot see beyond Maya, they mislead people and put them on the path of Maya (attach them to body-consciousness…).
  • If they themselves are so spiritually sick, then how in the world they are going to cure others! In other words, how they can de-toxicate others from the addiction to which they themselves are addicted to! [ਗ੍ਰਿਹਿ ਸੋਭਾ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਰੇ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ ਆਵਤ ਪਹੀਆ ਖੂਧੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ (sggs 872)].
  • Apparently, they don’t understand or believe what the Gurbani says! They only believe and do whatever their crooked, Mayaic minds tell them to do. That will put them in the category of self-willed, Manmatee, etc. (i.e., Manmukhs, Saakats, Asants, Asaadh, Thugs…).
  • If they don’t follow Truth (ਸਚ-Sach) of the Gurbani, then they are religious con men swindling people (Thugs, thief, ਠੱਗ, ਚੋਰ…) in the name of the Gurbani, Dharma, and Sikhi.
  • Whatever they do is to trap people as: ਕਰਿ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਬਹੈ ਪਖਿਆਰੀ ॥ (sggs 871.
  • They only know “Phaasan Kee Bidhi” (“ਫਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਬਿਧਿ” = way to snare, ਫਸਣ ਅਤੇ ਫਸਾਣ ਦਾ ਰਸਤਾ…). They do not know “Chhootan Kee” Bidhi (“ਛੂਟਨ ਕੀ” = way to liberation, ਮੁਕਤੀ ਦਾ ਰਸਤਾ…). [(ਫਾਸਨ ਕੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਊ ਜਾਨੈ ਛੂਟਨ ਕੀ ਇਕੁ ਕੋਈ ॥ (sggs 331)].
  • Thus, instead of linking with their own Mool within as demanded by the Gurbani, these fake Sant are linking themselves and others with Maya [ਹਉ ਬਿਨੁ ਗਾਂਠੇ ਜਾਇ ਪਹੂਚਾ ॥੨॥ (sggs 659)].
  • These tricksters (along with their corrupt lackeys – pupils, politicians buddies…) have done tremendous damage to the Teaching of the Gurbani (Gurmat) – they have mislead people away from the True Instruction (“ਸਿਖੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ”) of the Gur-Shabad and put them on the path of Karamkaand, rituals, dogmas, Bhekh (ਭੇਖ-garbs), Jaat-Paat, worldly entanglements (“ਆਲ ਜਾਲ”, ਪੁੱਠੀ ਮੱਤ), etc., from which the Gurbani frees us (ਮੋ ਕਉ ਕਹਾ ਪੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਵਸਿ ਆਲ ਜਾਲ ॥: sggs 1194)!!
  • Since they themselves are not linked with the Gur-Shabad within, then how are they going to link others with it? They cannot. Instead, they are linking people to themselves; ruining (spiritually) themselves and others in the process [ਲੋਗੁ ਗੰਠਿ ਗੰਠਿ ਖਰਾ ਬਿਗੂਚਾ ॥ (sggs 659)].
  • Thus, in nutshell, these Deraavaad Sant are Jam-Doot (“ਜਮ ਕੇ ਦੂਤ”)!
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  1. Prakash S Bagga

    Excellent and very clear message from Gurbaanee ,Sir.But still a common person having known all this may still be in places like DERAS because their roots are now pretty deep in the various sections of the society.
    I find even the most educated Sikh Brothers eulogising these so called sant for uplifting them.
    I fail to understand what kind of uplifting they mean.But the mind set of general persons is
    very much inclined .

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Jio for incessantly sharing Shabad-Vichaar!

      I find even the most educated Sikh Brothers eulogising these so called sant

      The Gurbani indicates that one’s education = foolishness if he is full of Bikaar (greed, pride…):
      • ਪੜਿਆ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਜਿਸੁ ਲਬੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਾ ॥ (sggs 140).
      And, on account of their Bikaar (greed, etc.), many educated eulogize them because they take cut from the loot (income..) of these fraud Sant!!

  2. Trilochan Singh Duggal

    It is so rare to find people believe in Guru’s sacred word-Shabad Guru. Lack of understanding of Gurbani and by human nature to procure something so easy allures majority to attach with fake institutions of such DERABAD. The latter never associate with GURU PANTH so they not only rob naïve people, but also deter them from internal development of the mind. Such resultant blindness entraps the whole family members and they never achieve the purpose of life. It would mean they waste their life and reincarnation continues; the body is never ever get emancipated. One must endeavour to free our self and achieve the motive; this is only possible by reading, understanding and acting on Guru’s Word.

  3. Prakash S Bagga

    It should be very surprising to note that as in presence of SGGS ji it is not possible for anyone to get to be refered or known as GuROO.So such people found a BACK DOOR entry as SANT to excercise the control over people for their own interests.
    In fact it is the misinterpretation and prestation of the true reference meaning of the word SANT/SANTAN due to whichordinary persons get trapped in such a net of falsehood.
    Now the problen exists in its immense proprtion along with the POLITICAL nterests that it
    seems extremely difficult to get rid of SANTHOOD/DERAWAAD.

  4. Trilochan Singh Duggal

    It is not possible for anyone to have control over DERABAD, it will remain a trap for those who do not believe in Gurbani intentionally. Yes, alternative salvage would be possible, if Sikh Panth could decide to set up all Akal Takhats as an exclusive institution for Sikh followers to have some weaponry and conventional training programmes prior to receiving Khandey Bate di Pahul and NONE others whosoever should have this provision to offer Khandey Bate Di Pahul. Such Regulatory Institution could create GURMUKHS who would then conform to principles of GURMAT and would act as Role models for others being having deluded for lack of understanding of Gurbani.

  5. Prakash S Bagga

    There is some possible solution as suggested by Veer Tirlochan Sngh Duggal ji .But the AUTHORITY refered itself does not seem interested in such a move perhaps it is VOTE BANK
    which matter more for the current POLITICS. Such is the STATE of HELPLESSNESS and
    it may not be possible at all to delink the people from DERAS or SANTDOM.

    • But the AUTHORITY refered itself does not seem interested…

      There is a Hindi proverb in India: “Chor-Chor Moserae Bhaae – ਚੋਰ ਚੋਰ ਮੌਸੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ” (English versions: (1) “Birds of a feather flock together”; (2) “Like draws like”…).
      As the corrupt Brahmins and the corrupt Kings were Buddy-Buddy, so are the modern day Deraavaad Sant and the politicians: Buddy-Buddy!
      Kabeer Sahib reveals this truth and situation in the SGGS as follows:
      • ਤੂੰ ਬਾਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਨੁ ਮੈ ਕਾਸੀਕ ਜੁਲਹਾ ਬੂਝਹੁ ਮੋਰ ਗਿਆਨਾ ॥ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਤਉ ਜਾਚੇ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਰਾਜੇ ਹਰਿ ਸਉ ਮੋਰ ਧਿਆਨਾ ॥੩॥੪॥੨੬॥ (sggs 482).

  6. Prakash S Bagga

    Well Sir,The problem is clearly identified but Who will bell the cat?

    • Thank you Brother for continually sharing!

      Who will bell the cat?

      First, the SGGS has already belled the cat!
      Under the Guidance of the SGGS, many are doing their part to make sure the bell remains on the cat’s neck!

  7. Prakash S Bagga

    Nice Sir,I also hope so.Person like yourgoodself have been assigned this duty by Wah GuROO Ji .Things should take a turn ,once the turn starts there is going to be a REVERSE GEAR and one can see the changes happening.

  8. Kirpal Singh

    ‘Gurbani eis jag mein channan’ – In the light of Gurbani all doubts are resolved about the true Sants and Deravaadi-Sants.

    ‘Sant saran jo jan phere so jan udaran haar’ (Sukhmani Sahib)

    ‘Thoond sajan Sant pakkeiaa’

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Jio!

      In the light of Gurbani all doubts are resolved

      Yes Bhia Sahib Jio – the Gurbani removes all our doubts.
      However, ACCORDING TO THE GURBANI, the condition is that one has to become a Gurmukh (one who completely understands the Gurbani and lives it, ਹੁਕਮੀ ਬੰਦਾ who has transcended Maya while still alive…).
      Because, according to the Gurbani, only a Gurmukh can discriminate between truth (ਸੱਤ) and untruth (ਅਸੱਤ), nobody else:
      • ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਖੋਟੇ ਖਰੇ ਪਛਾਣੁ ॥ (sggs 942).
      Until then, one is liable to mistake. Accroding to the Gurbani:
      • ਖੋਟੇ ਕਉ ਖਰਾ ਕਹੈ ਖਰੇ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ (sggs 229).

  9. Trilochan Singh Duggal

    Those who are dedicated to principles of GURMAT must be aware of the critical situation that we are in. Bhai T Singh ji has expounded on this dilemma and until tyrannical politics is predominantly flourishing in India, there would be least hope to curve common thinking to supress malpractices and move onto righteous path. However, it doesn’t mean one should give up. Somehow pursuing a good solution is always better than giving up hope. May God bless these souls to understand what harm they are doing to Shabad-Guru.

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Jio!

      “Those who are dedicated to principles of GURMAT must be aware of the critical situation that we are in.”

      “Gurmati” (“ਗੁਰਮਤਿ”) =>Teaching of the SGGS => Teaching of the Gur-Parmeshar.
      Thus, “Gurmati” (“ਗੁਰਮਤਿ”) is the Way of the Gur-Parmeshar => Way of Sach (ਸਚ-Truth).
      Therefore, each earnest student/learner (i.e., Sikh, who is learning from the Gurbani – ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਲੈਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਸਿਖਿਆਰਥੀ) is a “Kotwaal” of the Gurbani (SGGS).
      “Kotwaal” => a person who takes care of the fort of a town on behalf of another ruler or king.
      In nutshell, all “who are dedicated to principles of GURMAT” – “Kotwaal” of the Gurbani (SGGS) – must come out of their secluded existence, air-conditioned offices, and so on, and do their part to preserve the Purity of the Teaching of the SGGS for common Good! Otherwise, there will be no difference between them and so called “Sidhas” who abandoned their societies and families only to go sit on mountain-tops in jungles!
      • ਸੰਤਾ ਮਾਨਉ ਦੂਤਾ ਡਾਨਉ ਇਹ ਕੁਟਵਾਰੀ ਮੇਰੀ ॥ (sggs 969).

  10. Prakash S Bagga

    In the Quote Sant saran jo jan phere so jan udaran haar’ saran jo jan phere so jan udaran haar’ It is important to clarify the true reference meaning of the word “Sant” in context of Gurbaanee.
    This is the most misinterprated word of Gurbaanee where people are still in confusion about the actual status of SANT in SGGS ji.
    Does NANAK ji directed us to go in the sanctuary of so called wordly Saints? Whereas the concept of Gurbaanee is very clear and the duty of any SIKH is to get connected with NAAMu
    thru SatiGuRu .(The word of GuRu) rather than these so called saints.

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Jio!

      “Does NANAK ji directed us to go in the sanctuary of so called wordly Saints? Whereas the concept of Gurbaanee is very clear and the duty of any SIKH is to get connected with NAAMu thru SatiGuRu .(The word of GuRu) rather than these so called saints.”

      Well said Bhai Sahib Ji!
      The Gurbani Teaches us to surrender to only ONE, within. Not any embodied beings (ਦੇਹਧਾਰੀ) outside.
      • ਅਵਰੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਕਿਉ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਜੰਮੈ ਤੈ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ (sggs 509).
      • ਕਿਸੁ ਹਉ ਸੇਵੀ ਕਿਸੁ ਆਰਾਧੀ ਜੋ ਦਿਸਟੈ ਸੋ ਗਾਛੈ ॥ (sggs 533).
      And That One is ever and ever situated within, Here and Now.
      • ਬਾਹਰੁ ਖੋਜਿ ਮੁਏ ਸਭਿ ਸਾਕਤ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਘਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ (sggs 1191).
      • ਅੰਤਰ ਆਤਮੈ ਜੋ ਮਿਲੈ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਇ ॥ (sggs 791).
      • ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਘਰ ਮਹਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਟੋਲੈ ਸੋ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਹੀ ॥ (sggs 102).
      • ਜਿਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਉ ਰਾਖਿ ਲੈ ਹਮ ਸਰਣਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਆਏ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥ (sggs 450).
      • ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੈ ਵਲਿ ਹੋਆ ਮੇਰਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹਰਿ ਸਜਣ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸੁਜਾਨੁ ॥ (sggs 854).
      • ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੁ ਕਾਇਆ ਖੋਜੈ ਹੋਰ ਸਭ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ॥ (sggs 754).

  11. Kirpal Singh

    Gurbani helps to elevate humans to Saintdom/Sainthood. Sants do exist and are around:-

    ਜਿਨਾ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਨ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾਂ ਮਨਿ ਮੰਤੁ ॥ (Raag Gauri Guru Arjan Dve, GGS. 319-18).
    Jinaa Saas Giraas N Visarai Har Naamaan Man Manth ||
    Those who do not forget the Lord with each breath and morsel of food whose minds are filled with the Mantra of the Lord’s Name

    ਧੰਨੁ ਸਿ ਸੇਈ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਸੋਈ ਸੰਤੁ ॥੧॥
    Dhhann S Saeee Naanakaa Pooran Soee Santh ||1||
    – they alone are blessed; O Nanak, they are the perfect Saints. ||1||

    The need is to remove dubida/dulity arising out of ego (houmai) and that leads to attracting divine grace:-

    ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਤੁਟੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਨ ਭਰਮਾ ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਮੁਕਤੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ (Raag Dhanaasree Guru Arjan Dev. GGS. 680-5).
    Jab Lag Thuttai Naahee Man Bharamaa Thab Lag Mukath N Koee ||
    As long as the doubts of the mind are not removed, liberation is not found.

    ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਇਆਲ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੰਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਜਨੁ ਸੋਈ ॥੨॥੫॥੩੬॥
    Kahu Naanak Dhaeiaal Suaamee Santh Bhagath Jan Soee ||2||5||36||
    Says Nanak, he alone is a Saint, a devotee, and a humble servant of the Lord, to whom the Lord and Master is merciful. ||2||5||36||

  12. Prakash S Bagga

    Refereing to the Quote and its interpretation as
    ਜਿਨਾ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਨ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾਂ ਮਨਿ ਮੰਤੁ ॥ (Raag Gauri Guru Arjan Dve, GGS. 319-18).
    Jinaa Saas Giraas N Visarai Har Naamaan Man Manth ||
    Those who do not forget the Lord with each breath and morsel of food whose minds are filled with the Mantra of the Lord’s Name

    ਧੰਨੁ ਸਿ ਸੇਈ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਸੋਈ ਸੰਤੁ ॥੧॥
    Dhhann S Saeee Naanakaa Pooran Soee Santh ||1||
    – they alone are blessed; O Nanak, they are the perfect Saints. ||1||
    It is interesting to consider to what extent this interpretation is correct. I find if one considers the interpretation as per grammar of the words then its interpretation is different.
    Consider the word ਸੰਤੁ this word is SINGULAR so it is not for reference as THEY .
    In my understanding ,the meanings of the quote may be as
    O NANAK …They alone are blessed with HARi NAAMA as Mantra within their MUN as a complete and perfect SANT who do not forget the LORD with each breath and morsel of food

    So it seems that ਪੂਰਨੁ ਸੋਈ ਸੰਤੁ is the reference for ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾਂ ਮਨਿ ਮੰਤੁ ॥
    This is my own understanding I stand for correction.May SatiGuRu ji be the Guide for correct
    understanding.

    • “Consider the word ਸੰਤੁ this word is SINGULAR”

      Yes Bhai Sahib Jio – the “Onkarh” at the end of this word ਸੰਤੁ indicates it to be “Singular” (ਪੁਲਿੰਗ, ਇਕ ਵਚਨ – Masculine Gender, Singular).
      Second, I also find it of great importance to understand what it means by “ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਨ ਵਿਸਰੈ”.
      Based on my little understanding, it indicates the Sate of the Gurmukh-hood.
      It indicates the Gurmukh-Lifestyle (the Divine Life based on the Gurbani).
      It symbolizes the Gurmukh-mind, which has been transformed into Bibek of the Gur-Shabad through the Gur-Shabad (Naam, Hukam…).
      • ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਪਛਾਣੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮਿ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ (sggs 29).
      In nutshell, it symbolizes Budh becoming Bibek, and Aatmaa becoming a Sant – ਬੁਧ ਦਾ ਬਿਬੇਕ ਹੋਣਾਂ, ਆਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਸੰਤ ਬਣ ਜਾਣਾਂ…)!
      • ਨਾਨਕ ਸੰਤ ਸੰਤ ਹਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੋਹੰਦੀ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਮ ਮੇਰੇ ਬਾਬੁਲਾ ਪਿਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਧਨ ਵੇਲ ਵਧੰਦੀ ॥੫॥੧॥ (sggs 79).
      It is only this Gurmukh mind that can discriminate between the true (“ਖਰੇ”) and false (“ਖੋਟੇ”), as Bhikhaa Ji !!
      • ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਖੋਟੇ ਖਰੇ ਪਛਾਣੁ ॥ (sggs 942).

  13. Prakash S Bagga

    Very true Sir,
    I feel that the reference meanings of the word SANTu/SANT are for GuRu/GuR or NAAMu/NAAM.
    A person can be refered as only sewak or das of SANTu/SANT.
    In the context of the word SANT the following Quote is worth considering for its reference meaning.The Quote
    “NANAK DAAS SANT PAACHCHE PARIYO RAAKH LEHO EHE BAARI”

    What should be the reference for the word SANT?

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Jio for quoting this Verse! Just excellent quote!

      NANAK DAAS SANT PAACHCHE PARIYO RAAKH LEHO EHE BAARI

      • ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਸੰਤ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਰਿਓ ਰਾਖਿ ਲੇਹੁ ਇਹ ਬਾਰੀ ॥੨॥੪॥੯॥ (sggs 713).
      Let’s, very briefly, try dissecting this verse. Here in this verse the word “ਸੰਤ” comes without the “Onkarh” at the end of it, however, it still is “Singular” (ਪੁਲਿੰਗ, ਇਕ ਵਚਨ – Masculine Gender, Singular).
      Why?
      I believe it’s because of “ਸੰਬੰਧਕ” (Proposition).
      Consider, “ਸੰਤ ਪਾਛੈ” (Sant Paachhai) => ਸੰਤ ਦੇ ਪਿਛੇ-ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਪਿਛੇ (Sant De Pichhe-Guroo De Pichhe) / ਸੰਤ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ-ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ (Sant Dee Saran-Guroo Dee Saran)…
      Here “ਦੇ” (De), “ਦੀ” (Dee) are “ਸੰਬੰਧਕ” (Proposition).
      And, based upon my little understanding of the Gurbani Grammar, “ਸੰਬੰਧਕ” (Proposition) hide or take away the “Onkarh” of the preceding word.
      That is, this “ਦੇ” (De), or “ਦੀ” (Dee) “ਸੰਬੰਧਕ” (Proposition) has hidden or taken away the “Onkarh” at the end of the word “ਸੰਤ”!
      Therefore, although in this verse the word “ਸੰਤ” comes without the “Onkarh” at the end of it, however, it still is “Singular” (ਪੁਲਿੰਗ, ਇਕ ਵਚਨ – Masculine Gender, Singular).
      Now, what is this “ONE”? This “One” is highlighted in the very first line of the SGGS!
      • ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ (sggs 1).
      • ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਏਕੁ ਹੈ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਭਾਈ ॥ (sggs 420).
      • ਸਭ ਏਕਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥ (sggs 120).
      So, here in this verse, the Gurbani asks us to surrender to the One Sant-One Guroo (or One Parmeshar, One Mool…), within.
      • ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ (sggs 53).
      • ਨਾਨਕ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਪਾਲਾ ॥ (sggs 943).
      • ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਏਕੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਸੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਮਝਿਯਹੁ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥੩੮੫॥ (Dasam Granth 1466).
      I ask for forgiveness for any and all mistakes.
      Again, thank you Bhai Sahib Jio for quoting this verse!

  14. Kirpal Singh

    “NANAK DAAS SANT PAACHCHE PARIYO RAAKH LEHO EHE BAARI”

    The above quote clearly indicates the real existence of Sants since time immemorial.

    A Sant’s company leads us to the enlightening experience of Waheguru and Waheguru’s name:-

    ਸੰਤਸੰਗਿ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਡੀਠਾ ॥ (Raag Gauri Sukhmanee Guru Arjan Dev, GGS. 293-15.
    Santhasang Anthar Prabh Ddeethaa ||
    In the Society of the Saints, I see God deep within my being.

    ਨਾਮੁ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਾ ਲਾਗਾ ਮੀਠਾ ॥
    Naam Prabhoo Kaa Laagaa Meethaa ||
    God’s Name is sweet to me.

    The next is the deep association with Naam that brings salvation (divine sohjee):-

    ਨਾਮ ਸੰਗਿ ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥Raag Gauri Sukhmanee Guru Arjan Dev, GGS. 281-11).
    Naam Sang Jis Kaa Man Maaniaa ||
    One whose mind accepts the Company of the Naam,

    ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥੩॥
    Naanak Thinehi Niranjan Jaaniaa ||3||
    Through the Name of the Lord, O Nanak, one knows the Immaculate Lord. ||3||

    Our Gurus were Sants/Bhagats/Daas/Sevak/Jan/Sikh of Waheguru. With the grace of Waheguru we can also rise to such levels by contemplating and experimenting the truths in Gurbani. There are promises like:-

    ਬਿਰਥਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਜਿ ਆਵੈ ਤੁਧੁ ਆਹਿ ॥੯ ॥(Raag Raamkali: Guru Arjan Dev, GGS. 962-3)
    Birathhaa Koe N Jaae J Aavai Thudhh Aahi ||9||
    Those who come to You with love and faith are never turned away empty-handed. ||9||

    But the problem is how to avail the above promise?

    The Gurbani further guides as to how to attain Divine Sohjee:-
    ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਈਐ ਤਾ ਸਹੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਅਉਰੁ ਕੈਸੀ ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ॥ (Raag Tilang M. 1, GGS. 722-13).
    Aap Gavaaeeai Thaa Sahu Paaeeai Aour Kaisee Chathuraaee ||
    Give up your selfhood, and so obtain your Husband Lord; what other clever tricks are of any use?

    Whosoever is able to loose selfhood (total loss of individual identity/Ego/Houmai) and puts Waheguru in driving seat becomes a Sant.

  15. Prakash S Bagga

    Respected T SINGH Ji,
    I fully agree and accept your point of view as

    ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਸੰਤ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਰਿਓ ਰਾਖਿ ਲੇਹੁ ਇਹ ਬਾਰੀ ॥੨॥੪॥੯॥ (sggs 713).
    Let’s, very briefly, try dissecting this verse. Here in this verse the word “ਸੰਤ” comes without the “Onkarh” at the end of it, however, it still is “Singular” (ਪੁਲਿੰਗ, ਇਕ ਵਚਨ – Masculine Gender, Singular)……

    That means if the word SANT is without sambhadak then this word would be PLURAL(Masculine Gender). Is it not so.sir ?

    • That means if the word SANT is without sambhadak …

      The rule of “ਸੰਬੰਧਕ” (Proposition) is just one rule. There are other rules by which a word could be “Singular” (ਪੁਲਿੰਗ, ਇਕ ਵਚਨ – Masculine Gender, Singular). Similarly, there are rules by which a word could be PLURAL(Masculine Gender), and so on …

      If you are interested, please feel free to use the two YouTube links we have provided in the footer of this Blog. They already have put lots of time and energy in this subject.

  16. Prakash S Bagga

    Respected T Singh Ji,
    I request you for a clarification for the word SANT in the Quote as
    • ਨਾਨਕ ਸੰਤ ਸੰਤ ਹਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਜਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੋਹੰਦੀ
    Now there is no sambadhak(Proposition) with the word SANT which is without AUKAD.

  17. Prakash S Bagga

    Respeted T Singh Ji,
    I have listened all from this U tube.The whole presentation is very clear except for
    1…The gramaar of the words with Caital VOWELS as A E I O U i e Matras of DULAIKAD.
    2..Reference meanings of PLURAL (Masculine Gender) words
    All are silent on these explanations.
    If you have any it would be my great pleasure to know that.

  18. sukhwant singh

    In this blog lot of discussion was done on Sant But in SGGS ji SANT has came many-many times with different meaning …..
    1.ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕੀ ਪੈਜ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਰਿਓ ( Sant is used for ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ )
    2.ਆਵਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਪਿਆਰਿਹੋ ਅਕਥ ਕੀ ਕਰਹ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥( Sant is used for common peoples who are in search of truth)
    3.ਥਾਨੁ ਸੁਹਾਵਾ ਪਵਿਤੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਥੈ ਸੰਤ ਸਭਾ ॥( Sant is used for satsangi peoples)
    4.ਹਰਿ ਤਿਸੈ ਧਿਆਵਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਜਨਹੁ ਜੋ ਲਏ ਛਡਾਈ ॥੨॥( Sant is used for satsangi peoples)
    5.ਭਾਗੁ ਹੋਆ ਗੁਰਿ ਸੰਤੁ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥( Sant is used for Guru)

    in Gurbani one word(Same word)has been used for different meanings at different locations.
    Bhul-Chuk maff karni

  19. Prakash s Bagga

    I think one should not get confused with the use of the word SANT in different context.The
    word SANT is exclusive for PRABHu Abinaasee and in other context also its meaning does not change e g
    in Quote 1.ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕੀ ਪੈਜ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਰਿਓ ( Sant is used for ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ
    Here the word SANT has not been used for ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ no doubt the word SANT is in context of
    ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ. The meaning of the Quote can also be
    Jis SANT NE kept the honour of ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ by tearing ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ with nails. Therefore the WORd SANThere is for the ENTITY PRABHu.
    Similary the word SANT can be understood for other Quotes also.
    Bhul Chu Maaf

  20. Seva Singh

    Are we to understand no one can has ever or can never reach to the state of SANT by following Gurbani. There are places where word SANTAN is written. (Which is plural). Waheguru is one and only one. Then to whom this word refers to. For eg…last line of keertan Sohila……”Nanak daas ehe sukh mange moko kar santan ke dhuaire”
    Kindly help understans this.

    • Thank you Bhai Sahib Seva Singh Jio for sharing the Gurbani Vichaar.
      Also, welcome to the Gurbani Blog! Looking forward to hear more Gurbani Vichaar from you in the future.

      In nutshell, the Gurbani’s Sant is at the level of Aatmaa, not at the level of the physical body or robes (Bhekh-ਭੇਖ). In other words, the mind that has become one with its Mool (ਮੂਲ-Prabhoo, Raam, Hari, Gobind…) is the Sant. Thus, one cannot become a Sant by just wearing a specific robe (Bhekh-ਭੇਖ), or by calling himself a Sant, or having his followers calling him a Sant!
      ਸੋਈ ਸੰਤੁ ਜਿ ਭਾਵੈ ਰਾਮ ॥ (sggs 867).

  21. prakash s bagga

    In my understanding all references in SGGS ji either SINGULAR or PLURAL are for Gur Joti ..EKANKAARu as the only Ultimate Entity.
    It is further important to observe that Gurbaanee is all telling about a WAVE/WAVES character of this Ultimate Entity that is why we have SINGULAR and PLURAL references which are applicable to such a character of the ENTITY. Even NAAMu/NAAM is reference of A WAVE of a specifific word for SABADu.

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